1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:02,960 just as a quick review some people who 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:04,890 might not know about the Ryan research 3 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:06,210 center might not know what we do there 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:10,050 the Rhine was founded back in 1935 it 5 00:00:14,629 --> 00:00:11,610 was originally as a do parasite 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:14,639 parapsychology lab and it was at Duke 7 00:00:19,849 --> 00:00:16,890 University JB Ryan founded it and it's 8 00:00:21,710 --> 00:00:19,859 and now it's moved off campus it's not 9 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:21,720 affiliated with Duke anymore we're an 10 00:00:27,109 --> 00:00:24,090 independent nonprofit research center 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:27,119 and we're known the right has always 12 00:00:33,470 --> 00:00:29,810 been known for doing top-notch 13 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:33,480 laboratory research in two different 14 00:00:38,590 --> 00:00:36,930 size phenomena everything from ESP to pk 15 00:00:41,510 --> 00:00:38,600 but working very closely in a laboratory 16 00:00:43,190 --> 00:00:41,520 now one of the things that many people 17 00:00:46,310 --> 00:00:43,200 the rise in Durham North Carolina 18 00:00:47,930 --> 00:00:46,320 because that's where Duke is right one 19 00:00:51,650 --> 00:00:47,940 of the reasons one of the things that 20 00:00:55,990 --> 00:00:51,660 people don't know about Durham is that 21 00:00:59,330 --> 00:00:56,000 it seems to be a center for healers I 22 00:01:01,700 --> 00:00:59,340 can't tell you how many people I know 23 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:01,710 who do energy healing work and it's not 24 00:01:03,470 --> 00:01:03,090 just because I'm associated with the 25 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:03,480 Rhine 26 00:01:09,170 --> 00:01:05,610 even before I was associated with a Ryan 27 00:01:12,020 --> 00:01:09,180 there were energy healers all around so 28 00:01:14,149 --> 00:01:12,030 it's very easy for me to find people who 29 00:01:18,230 --> 00:01:14,159 want to work within the energy healing 30 00:01:23,390 --> 00:01:18,240 world well about oh it's a little more 31 00:01:26,270 --> 00:01:23,400 than two years ago Phil Morris is just 32 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:26,280 over here wave your head Phil I was 33 00:01:31,819 --> 00:01:28,290 talking to Jeanette Nachman who is also 34 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:31,829 over there and said hey I'd really like 35 00:01:38,510 --> 00:01:35,130 to start an energy healing group at the 36 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:38,520 Rhine and Phil came to me because of 37 00:01:42,380 --> 00:01:40,650 where I sit in the office there and said 38 00:01:43,399 --> 00:01:42,390 you know can we do this and I said wow 39 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:43,409 it sounds like it's a really good idea 40 00:01:50,300 --> 00:01:46,890 can I be part of it and so we started at 41 00:01:52,219 --> 00:01:50,310 that point what pillars came up with 42 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:52,229 named the Rhine healing energies team 43 00:01:58,010 --> 00:01:55,890 and there's actually two groups that are 44 00:02:00,920 --> 00:01:58,020 currently doing healing work at the 45 00:02:03,260 --> 00:02:00,930 Rhine we originally came from a lot of 46 00:02:05,929 --> 00:02:03,270 different backgrounds some people were 47 00:02:09,710 --> 00:02:05,939 doing Reiki some people were doing 48 00:02:12,229 --> 00:02:09,720 Healing Touch chi-gong there were other 49 00:02:13,940 --> 00:02:12,239 people who had no experience doing any 50 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:13,950 type of energetic healing at all 51 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:16,410 but we all had one goal and that goal 52 00:02:23,420 --> 00:02:20,490 was to learn the energy chair to take 53 00:02:26,660 --> 00:02:23,430 bill bangtan's books on the energy cure 54 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:26,670 and to listen to his recorded lectures 55 00:02:32,630 --> 00:02:30,210 about this training on developing the 56 00:02:35,450 --> 00:02:32,640 energy cure and learning this technique 57 00:02:37,010 --> 00:02:35,460 so we were all suspending anything we 58 00:02:38,570 --> 00:02:37,020 might have known or any types of 59 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:38,580 thoughts we had in the past related to 60 00:02:43,790 --> 00:02:41,010 healing and following bills technique it 61 00:02:47,690 --> 00:02:43,800 was really really great because we met 62 00:02:49,430 --> 00:02:47,700 every week at the Rhine and we ended 63 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:49,440 within two and a half years now we've 64 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:51,450 been meeting every week I'd say after 65 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:53,970 about probably about it the first month 66 00:02:58,400 --> 00:02:56,850 or so we got into this cycling thing 67 00:03:00,920 --> 00:02:58,410 that bill must have talked about a bit 68 00:03:02,870 --> 00:03:00,930 yesterday and say and really got a good 69 00:03:04,730 --> 00:03:02,880 sense of it and we we were like wow it's 70 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:04,740 really working we got our list together 71 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:06,530 we were having a great time with it 72 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:10,410 about six months later all sudden we 73 00:03:14,390 --> 00:03:12,690 realized we didn't really know anything 74 00:03:17,420 --> 00:03:14,400 about what we were doing when we started 75 00:03:19,970 --> 00:03:17,430 and the reason this happened the reason 76 00:03:21,950 --> 00:03:19,980 we recognized this was because all of a 77 00:03:22,780 --> 00:03:21,960 sudden for this entire group things 78 00:03:25,970 --> 00:03:22,790 started to click 79 00:03:28,250 --> 00:03:25,980 it was after about six months that all 80 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:28,260 of a sudden this cycling thing really 81 00:03:33,020 --> 00:03:30,570 made sense to us we all started really 82 00:03:37,850 --> 00:03:33,030 feeling and being cohesive as a group 83 00:03:40,820 --> 00:03:37,860 and working together at this point 84 00:03:43,310 --> 00:03:40,830 people started to get really antsy they 85 00:03:45,230 --> 00:03:43,320 wanted to do something they said look 86 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:45,240 we're feeling all this and we're we're 87 00:03:49,250 --> 00:03:47,130 acting weird practicing for a long time 88 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:49,260 let's do some healing we want to heal 89 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:52,050 some people well of course we're not 90 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:54,090 qualified to heal people so what we did 91 00:03:58,490 --> 00:03:56,970 is we asked for volunteers well some of 92 00:04:01,040 --> 00:03:58,500 our first volunteers came from within 93 00:04:02,420 --> 00:04:01,050 the group and we had someone from the 94 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:02,430 group get up on the table and we had 95 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:03,930 some other volunteers of quick as soon 96 00:04:06,350 --> 00:04:05,130 as people started hearing about us they 97 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:06,360 started saying can we volunteer to be 98 00:04:09,970 --> 00:04:08,130 part of the session and so they will 99 00:04:12,490 --> 00:04:09,980 come in and be part of the sessions and 100 00:04:16,310 --> 00:04:12,500 we would we would sit around and do our 101 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:16,320 cycling and work with them and the 102 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:19,170 interesting thing was it surprised us 103 00:04:26,930 --> 00:04:22,290 all we were getting really good results 104 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:26,940 people started to report that they had 105 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:31,530 and symptoms pain relief one person who 106 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:33,090 one of the first person people we work 107 00:04:35,780 --> 00:04:33,570 with 108 00:04:38,860 --> 00:04:35,790 he had sciatica that he had been 109 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:38,870 suffering from for years after one 110 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:43,410 10-minute session it went away it's been 111 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:45,570 over two years he hasn't had a 112 00:04:50,420 --> 00:04:48,450 recurrence of the sciatica at all we had 113 00:04:52,340 --> 00:04:50,430 one woman who we were working with 114 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:52,350 remotely of course we got her permission 115 00:04:56,870 --> 00:04:54,450 but we were working with her remotely 116 00:04:58,730 --> 00:04:56,880 she wasn't there she was going in for 117 00:05:05,330 --> 00:04:58,740 knee surgery because she had a tumor 118 00:05:06,860 --> 00:05:05,340 behind her kneecap and before we we did 119 00:05:09,140 --> 00:05:06,870 the session well and the day she was 120 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:09,150 going to get measured for her surgery 121 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:11,130 and have the mark on her knees so they 122 00:05:18,170 --> 00:05:13,970 know where it were due to surgery 123 00:05:21,770 --> 00:05:18,180 afterwards she said the tumor is gone it 124 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:21,780 disappeared these were really remarkable 125 00:05:28,460 --> 00:05:25,650 and very surprising because as bill says 126 00:05:30,110 --> 00:05:28,470 all the time I'm not doing anything we 127 00:05:33,380 --> 00:05:30,120 weren't doing anything we were just 128 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:33,390 doing our cycling and focusing but we 129 00:05:38,659 --> 00:05:35,250 had no sense that we were actually doing 130 00:05:42,370 --> 00:05:38,669 healing this is really great really 131 00:05:44,870 --> 00:05:42,380 exciting but you know I'm at the ride 132 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:44,880 we're not a healing group where this 133 00:05:50,270 --> 00:05:46,410 isn't what we do with the rhein we do 134 00:05:53,270 --> 00:05:50,280 research work and so the next step was 135 00:05:55,730 --> 00:05:53,280 to find out what is this healing stuff 136 00:06:00,290 --> 00:05:55,740 that we're doing we have to learn a 137 00:06:04,190 --> 00:06:00,300 little bit more about healing well isn't 138 00:06:06,050 --> 00:06:04,200 it obvious what healing is if you can't 139 00:06:11,890 --> 00:06:06,060 read it this is a Pizza Hut poster and 140 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:14,360 obviously healing is a biological 141 00:06:20,510 --> 00:06:18,210 process right it repairs damage or 142 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:20,520 returns a system to perfect health 143 00:06:27,260 --> 00:06:24,450 obviously that's what healing is it's a 144 00:06:30,050 --> 00:06:27,270 little more complicated than that there 145 00:06:32,659 --> 00:06:30,060 are different types of healing and when 146 00:06:35,330 --> 00:06:32,669 we're trying to figure out how can we do 147 00:06:37,580 --> 00:06:35,340 research on healing how can we look into 148 00:06:38,810 --> 00:06:37,590 this in more detail we first started 149 00:06:39,140 --> 00:06:38,820 looking at what are the different types 150 00:06:41,150 --> 00:06:39,150 of 151 00:06:44,050 --> 00:06:41,160 having discussions about this within our 152 00:06:46,250 --> 00:06:44,060 team there's physical healing of course 153 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:46,260 there's also psychological healing 154 00:06:50,330 --> 00:06:47,610 things related to the mental or 155 00:06:52,250 --> 00:06:50,340 emotional world spiritual healing you 156 00:06:53,900 --> 00:06:52,260 might call it transpersonal related the 157 00:06:56,630 --> 00:06:53,910 connections between people having 158 00:07:00,730 --> 00:06:56,640 meaning in your life there's other types 159 00:07:02,030 --> 00:07:00,740 of healing as well anybody new this is 160 00:07:05,590 --> 00:07:02,040 yeah 161 00:07:08,510 --> 00:07:05,600 that's Marvin Gaye you know why is here 162 00:07:09,830 --> 00:07:08,520 who said sexual really alright well I 163 00:07:13,550 --> 00:07:09,840 got some Zener cards for you later on 164 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:13,560 okay there's a lot of other kinds of 165 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:15,570 healing that could that can go on but 166 00:07:19,370 --> 00:07:17,730 there but before we can really think 167 00:07:22,900 --> 00:07:19,380 about studying healing we have to figure 168 00:07:24,980 --> 00:07:22,910 out which type of healing is occurring 169 00:07:27,590 --> 00:07:24,990 besides the types of a healing there's 170 00:07:30,790 --> 00:07:27,600 different agents who might be doing 171 00:07:33,820 --> 00:07:30,800 healing medical professionals of course 172 00:07:35,750 --> 00:07:33,830 provide healing as the agent you have 173 00:07:37,070 --> 00:07:35,760 psychologists counselors you have 174 00:07:40,330 --> 00:07:37,080 different people who might work in that 175 00:07:42,710 --> 00:07:40,340 that area related to psychological work 176 00:07:47,780 --> 00:07:42,720 energy healers and I'm using the term 177 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:47,790 energy purposely here energy healers who 178 00:07:55,010 --> 00:07:50,850 also practice healing and then of course 179 00:07:59,230 --> 00:07:55,020 there is self healing and many people 180 00:08:05,270 --> 00:07:59,240 say that all healing is self healing 181 00:08:07,690 --> 00:08:05,280 they might be right so now going back we 182 00:08:10,100 --> 00:08:07,700 talked about different types of healing 183 00:08:12,500 --> 00:08:10,110 physical healing psychological healing 184 00:08:15,130 --> 00:08:12,510 spiritual healing etc we have different 185 00:08:19,340 --> 00:08:15,140 agents that can perform the healing 186 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:19,350 including self healing and then these 187 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:20,730 agents can take different approaches to 188 00:08:26,990 --> 00:08:24,810 healing sometimes they can try to 189 00:08:29,330 --> 00:08:27,000 provide a direct intervention for 190 00:08:31,060 --> 00:08:29,340 example surgery a medication to correct 191 00:08:34,010 --> 00:08:31,070 some sort of chemical imbalance 192 00:08:35,780 --> 00:08:34,020 sometimes it's more holistic it's 193 00:08:39,860 --> 00:08:35,790 related to a whole person it's often 194 00:08:42,170 --> 00:08:39,870 more gradual not quite as directed but 195 00:08:43,430 --> 00:08:42,180 besides having these different those two 196 00:08:45,370 --> 00:08:43,440 different approaches you know some 197 00:08:49,580 --> 00:08:45,380 people who are actually very intentional 198 00:08:51,140 --> 00:08:49,590 very focused on the type of on the on 199 00:08:52,820 --> 00:08:51,150 what they're trying to do they're 200 00:08:54,830 --> 00:08:52,830 intentionally trying to 201 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:54,840 he'll a specific location or a specific 202 00:08:59,900 --> 00:08:57,330 thing where you have others who are it's 203 00:09:01,520 --> 00:08:59,910 more unconscious for example you know I 204 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:01,530 talked about self-healing you know if I 205 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:03,330 nicked myself shaving today whenever I 206 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:05,370 was getting ready to come down here 207 00:09:10,970 --> 00:09:08,250 I'm not consciously healing that neck it 208 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:10,980 happens unconsciously a lot of 209 00:09:15,830 --> 00:09:13,110 self-healing almost all of it happens 210 00:09:19,340 --> 00:09:15,840 unconsciously so these are different 211 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:19,350 approaches so how we have different 212 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:22,770 types of healing we have different 213 00:09:28,490 --> 00:09:25,530 healing agents including energy healers 214 00:09:30,860 --> 00:09:28,500 or self-healing we have different 215 00:09:33,110 --> 00:09:30,870 approaches to healing whether you're 216 00:09:35,870 --> 00:09:33,120 focused and trying to heal something 217 00:09:37,580 --> 00:09:35,880 specific doing more holistic whether 218 00:09:38,570 --> 00:09:37,590 you're really intentionally doing 219 00:09:41,180 --> 00:09:38,580 something or it's happening 220 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:41,190 unconsciously and I added something else 221 00:09:44,750 --> 00:09:42,930 here and that's the mechanism of healing 222 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:44,760 how does it actually occur when it 223 00:09:50,050 --> 00:09:47,970 occurs before we could study healing 224 00:09:52,970 --> 00:09:50,060 before we could look at it and 225 00:09:55,190 --> 00:09:52,980 understand what it was about we have to 226 00:09:57,260 --> 00:09:55,200 consider all of these different topics 227 00:09:58,970 --> 00:09:57,270 where we don't really know what we're 228 00:10:02,330 --> 00:09:58,980 studying we don't know what we're 229 00:10:04,940 --> 00:10:02,340 looking at well back to the healing 230 00:10:06,950 --> 00:10:04,950 energy team and I'm actually gonna jump 231 00:10:08,510 --> 00:10:06,960 back to this because I want to mention 232 00:10:09,890 --> 00:10:08,520 you see this picture here this is 233 00:10:11,270 --> 00:10:09,900 actually our healing energy team you 234 00:10:12,770 --> 00:10:11,280 might recognize some of the people in 235 00:10:15,620 --> 00:10:12,780 the air in the room and I wanted to 236 00:10:18,170 --> 00:10:15,630 mention to Bill we took your advice and 237 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:18,180 we celebrated our successes and you can 238 00:10:23,810 --> 00:10:21,450 see it right there with our toes but we 239 00:10:25,970 --> 00:10:23,820 also you can't see the huge spread of 240 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:25,980 food and it's around there and there's 241 00:10:32,390 --> 00:10:27,450 also a bunch of bent spoons behind us 242 00:10:35,450 --> 00:10:32,400 there you jump ahead again how so with 243 00:10:38,540 --> 00:10:35,460 the healing energy team we had a really 244 00:10:41,390 --> 00:10:38,550 nice group available to us so that we 245 00:10:42,770 --> 00:10:41,400 could do research well one of the first 246 00:10:45,230 --> 00:10:42,780 projects that we're looking at 247 00:10:49,100 --> 00:10:45,240 approaching now is related to the 248 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:49,110 experience of healing this is a 249 00:10:56,810 --> 00:10:52,290 qualitative study qualitative study is 250 00:10:59,060 --> 00:10:56,820 when we look at textual information we 251 00:11:01,810 --> 00:10:59,070 look at conversations we look at 252 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:01,820 activity and try from this from this 253 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:06,210 information to bring out some data that 254 00:11:08,940 --> 00:11:06,610 can 255 00:11:11,790 --> 00:11:08,950 be useful for us in this case we're 256 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:11,800 trying to say what is it like to be a 257 00:11:18,150 --> 00:11:15,370 healer within these healing sessions so 258 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:18,160 each person were we have surveys we have 259 00:11:21,449 --> 00:11:19,690 different information different form for 260 00:11:23,780 --> 00:11:21,459 people to fill out to describe their 261 00:11:26,130 --> 00:11:23,790 experience during the healing session 262 00:11:27,389 --> 00:11:26,140 we're also asking the volunteer if we 263 00:11:29,670 --> 00:11:27,399 have a volunteer who comes in and we're 264 00:11:31,350 --> 00:11:29,680 treating them we're asking them to also 265 00:11:34,530 --> 00:11:31,360 fill out some information to tell us 266 00:11:36,990 --> 00:11:34,540 about their experience during the 267 00:11:38,519 --> 00:11:37,000 healing session for example if they had 268 00:11:40,590 --> 00:11:38,529 pain relief we want to know that 269 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:40,600 sometimes it's immediate sometimes it 270 00:11:43,949 --> 00:11:42,250 might be later so we might follow up 271 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:43,959 with them at a later time but the idea 272 00:11:51,030 --> 00:11:45,850 is to try to get some textual data 273 00:11:52,380 --> 00:11:51,040 related to this also and I think pretty 274 00:11:54,420 --> 00:11:52,390 much anybody in the group would agree 275 00:11:57,470 --> 00:11:54,430 with me we we don't feel like we're 276 00:12:00,509 --> 00:11:57,480 actually responsible for the healing 277 00:12:03,170 --> 00:12:00,519 there's a group experience that we have 278 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:03,180 and this developed over a period of time 279 00:12:09,449 --> 00:12:06,730 but it's very very different than 280 00:12:11,189 --> 00:12:09,459 individual healing experience and so 281 00:12:13,410 --> 00:12:11,199 we're trying to also have a discussion 282 00:12:14,850 --> 00:12:13,420 about how it is for each heal or working 283 00:12:18,060 --> 00:12:14,860 within the group to get a better sense 284 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:18,070 of that group experience of healing our 285 00:12:23,490 --> 00:12:21,130 goal with this project is to create a 286 00:12:24,750 --> 00:12:23,500 description of the experience of what 287 00:12:26,610 --> 00:12:24,760 it's like to be part of a healing 288 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:26,620 session and one of the reasons we want 289 00:12:31,889 --> 00:12:28,570 to do this is because if we want us to 290 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:31,899 understand healing we can't just look at 291 00:12:39,329 --> 00:12:34,930 the data that we get out of lab we have 292 00:12:40,949 --> 00:12:39,339 to put it in context so the only way to 293 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:40,959 really put it in context is to talk to 294 00:12:44,819 --> 00:12:42,850 the people who are doing it the ones who 295 00:12:46,500 --> 00:12:44,829 are involved with it see what their 296 00:12:49,110 --> 00:12:46,510 feelings see what their experiences are 297 00:12:53,430 --> 00:12:49,120 and then apply our data within the 298 00:12:55,949 --> 00:12:53,440 context of what they're doing so this is 299 00:12:59,030 --> 00:12:55,959 one of the projects that were starting a 300 00:13:00,210 --> 00:12:59,040 second area that we're looking into is 301 00:13:02,340 --> 00:13:00,220 biophotons 302 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:02,350 now I heard that there was a talk 303 00:13:05,340 --> 00:13:03,850 yesterday I'm sorry I got caught in 304 00:13:07,079 --> 00:13:05,350 traffic and I got here late and I missed 305 00:13:09,660 --> 00:13:07,089 some talks but I heard someone was 306 00:13:11,460 --> 00:13:09,670 talking about biophotons yesterday and 307 00:13:14,550 --> 00:13:11,470 so I don't know how much detail they 308 00:13:16,439 --> 00:13:14,560 went into but biophotons sounds like a 309 00:13:18,910 --> 00:13:16,449 pretty complex and far out kind of thing 310 00:13:23,620 --> 00:13:18,920 but actually it's really really simple 311 00:13:27,220 --> 00:13:23,630 all it is is its low level ultraviolet 312 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:27,230 light emissions from organic matter any 313 00:13:33,910 --> 00:13:30,250 organic matter whether it's plants 314 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:33,920 animals people even cells like for 315 00:13:38,889 --> 00:13:35,930 example we had red blood cells that we 316 00:13:42,220 --> 00:13:38,899 found have bio photons are emitted from 317 00:13:47,199 --> 00:13:42,230 them any organic matter emits a really 318 00:13:50,079 --> 00:13:47,209 low level of ultraviolet lights there's 319 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:50,089 a man named Fritz pop who back in the 320 00:13:55,870 --> 00:13:52,610 1970s he started doing some research 321 00:13:57,610 --> 00:13:55,880 related to but to ultraviolet light 322 00:14:01,180 --> 00:13:57,620 emissions from plants he was looking 323 00:14:03,730 --> 00:14:01,190 actually at organic versus non-organic 324 00:14:05,379 --> 00:14:03,740 plants and trying to see if there was in 325 00:14:06,490 --> 00:14:05,389 healthy plants versus of not healthy 326 00:14:09,730 --> 00:14:06,500 plants to try to see if there was a 327 00:14:11,470 --> 00:14:09,740 difference his theory was that while 328 00:14:12,970 --> 00:14:11,480 healthier plants are gonna emit more bio 329 00:14:15,250 --> 00:14:12,980 photons because they're healthier and 330 00:14:16,569 --> 00:14:15,260 organic plants will emit more because 331 00:14:19,090 --> 00:14:16,579 they're grown organically and they're 332 00:14:22,750 --> 00:14:19,100 natural and he was right about that but 333 00:14:24,100 --> 00:14:22,760 it's not only related to the health of 334 00:14:26,319 --> 00:14:24,110 the organism it's also related to 335 00:14:30,340 --> 00:14:26,329 stresses on the organism there are some 336 00:14:32,340 --> 00:14:30,350 for example there's some fish that when 337 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:32,350 they become injured they emit 338 00:14:38,530 --> 00:14:35,810 ultraviolet light and it attracts other 339 00:14:41,650 --> 00:14:38,540 fish to them which might not always be a 340 00:14:43,900 --> 00:14:41,660 great survival mechanism but but there 341 00:14:45,550 --> 00:14:43,910 it does there are some some animals that 342 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:45,560 do emit ultraviolet light when they're 343 00:14:52,090 --> 00:14:49,130 stressed but the other thing for its pop 344 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:52,100 found is besides this organic matter 345 00:14:56,500 --> 00:14:54,110 just emitting this and having more at 346 00:14:57,900 --> 00:14:56,510 different times it also seemed to be 347 00:15:01,930 --> 00:14:57,910 related to some sort of cellular 348 00:15:05,319 --> 00:15:01,940 communication this was far out stuff 349 00:15:07,059 --> 00:15:05,329 back in the 70s people really didn't 350 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:07,069 understand what he was talking about and 351 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:09,290 they it didn't really fly with the 352 00:15:14,019 --> 00:15:12,050 biology community and biology medicine 353 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:14,029 that really didn't work didn't work with 354 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:16,130 him at all it was on the fringe I'm 355 00:15:20,620 --> 00:15:18,290 actually Fritz pop was relating some 356 00:15:23,740 --> 00:15:20,630 work that was done back in 1920s over in 357 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:23,750 Russia but it took 50 years for it to 358 00:15:29,559 --> 00:15:27,050 get revived in the United States well 359 00:15:31,300 --> 00:15:29,569 since that time it's taken another 360 00:15:32,319 --> 00:15:31,310 couple decades but I'd say within the 361 00:15:34,780 --> 00:15:32,329 last probably 362 00:15:36,309 --> 00:15:34,790 ten years or so fritz prof work is 363 00:15:40,210 --> 00:15:36,319 starting to become more and more 364 00:15:45,579 --> 00:15:40,220 recognized in the traditional sciences 365 00:15:47,590 --> 00:15:45,589 in Stanford Cornell MIT they're there 366 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:47,600 studying cell communication using 367 00:15:52,090 --> 00:15:49,610 ultraviolet light they're also looking 368 00:15:54,069 --> 00:15:52,100 at there's bioenergy labs in Germany 369 00:15:56,829 --> 00:15:54,079 where fritz bopp originated some of his 370 00:16:01,389 --> 00:15:56,839 work and also Japan and India they're 371 00:16:04,359 --> 00:16:01,399 all doing bioenergy work so the in from 372 00:16:07,239 --> 00:16:04,369 this this concept is starting to catch 373 00:16:09,850 --> 00:16:07,249 on it's being taught in the upper levels 374 00:16:12,069 --> 00:16:09,860 of biology courses and people are 375 00:16:14,679 --> 00:16:12,079 studying it to try to see you know cell 376 00:16:16,269 --> 00:16:14,689 communication using light kind of 377 00:16:17,739 --> 00:16:16,279 science a little bit like some of the 378 00:16:19,449 --> 00:16:17,749 technology we might use for some of the 379 00:16:21,699 --> 00:16:19,459 types from some of the electronics we 380 00:16:24,759 --> 00:16:21,709 have so it is starting to catch on quite 381 00:16:27,729 --> 00:16:24,769 a bit what does this have to do with 382 00:16:31,449 --> 00:16:27,739 healing well I'm not sure but at the 383 00:16:34,929 --> 00:16:31,459 Rhine we have this bioenergy lab the 384 00:16:36,429 --> 00:16:34,939 bioenergy lab is I've talked about this 385 00:16:37,780 --> 00:16:36,439 in a bunch of different forums and it's 386 00:16:39,819 --> 00:16:37,790 been written up a few times so I'm gonna 387 00:16:41,229 --> 00:16:39,829 go over it pretty quickly here today but 388 00:16:43,569 --> 00:16:41,239 the bioenergy lab is essentially a 389 00:16:45,579 --> 00:16:43,579 darkroom we're looking at we're looking 390 00:16:48,929 --> 00:16:45,589 for really really low levels of light 391 00:16:53,139 --> 00:16:48,939 right so we need a really dark room and 392 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:53,149 in it we have this machine which is a 393 00:16:59,590 --> 00:16:57,290 photomultiplier tube PMT and it's a 394 00:17:04,120 --> 00:16:59,600 really really sensitive piece of 395 00:17:08,129 --> 00:17:04,130 equipment it can measure a single photon 396 00:17:11,949 --> 00:17:08,139 of ultraviolet light every half-second 397 00:17:15,220 --> 00:17:11,959 one photon every half second it can 398 00:17:17,019 --> 00:17:15,230 detect now when I have my room my dark 399 00:17:18,909 --> 00:17:17,029 room all set up and I have the system 400 00:17:21,159 --> 00:17:18,919 cooled and I have everything weren't 401 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:21,169 running properly if I close it up and no 402 00:17:25,210 --> 00:17:22,490 one's in the room the room is completely 403 00:17:27,939 --> 00:17:25,220 empty I usually see about three to five 404 00:17:30,879 --> 00:17:27,949 photons a second that's like no light 405 00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:30,889 there's hardly any light in this room at 406 00:17:35,289 --> 00:17:33,200 all which is really good then when I 407 00:17:36,039 --> 00:17:35,299 bring a person it doesn't matter who it 408 00:17:38,919 --> 00:17:36,049 is me 409 00:17:40,810 --> 00:17:38,929 you anyone doesn't matter anybody comes 410 00:17:43,029 --> 00:17:40,820 in and sits in front of machine that 411 00:17:44,460 --> 00:17:43,039 baseline jumps up to about 12 to 20 412 00:17:49,420 --> 00:17:44,470 photons 413 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:49,430 we Club we have this natural glove we 414 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:52,370 emit bio photons of this ultraviolet 415 00:17:58,930 --> 00:17:55,490 light from our bodies so what we're 416 00:18:02,950 --> 00:17:58,940 doing in the lab is we bring in people 417 00:18:06,070 --> 00:18:02,960 who are healers people who have done 418 00:18:08,050 --> 00:18:06,080 martial arts who talked about Chi people 419 00:18:10,210 --> 00:18:08,060 have done medication met at medication 420 00:18:13,210 --> 00:18:10,220 who've done meditation well maybe them 421 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:13,220 as well but people who do meditation can 422 00:18:17,140 --> 00:18:15,410 talk about Kundalini energies moving 423 00:18:18,310 --> 00:18:17,150 through their bodies and we say okay 424 00:18:21,580 --> 00:18:18,320 come on in and sit down 425 00:18:23,410 --> 00:18:21,590 don't do anything let's get a baseline 426 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:23,420 reading on how much light you're 427 00:18:29,410 --> 00:18:26,090 emitting naturally and then we say start 428 00:18:31,810 --> 00:18:29,420 your healing start your martial arts or 429 00:18:36,010 --> 00:18:31,820 your meditation and we look for 430 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:36,020 variations from that baseline any 431 00:18:46,450 --> 00:18:44,410 about 10% of the people that we've 432 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:46,460 brought into the lab show variation from 433 00:18:50,530 --> 00:18:49,250 the baseline only about 10% of the 434 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:50,540 healers that we brought in and we've 435 00:18:52,900 --> 00:18:51,770 brought in a lot of people who've been 436 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:52,910 doing healing but they're showing about 437 00:18:59,980 --> 00:18:57,050 variations when I say variations 438 00:19:04,150 --> 00:18:59,990 remember I'm talking 12 to 20 photons is 439 00:19:05,140 --> 00:19:04,160 our baseline right these healers when 440 00:19:06,730 --> 00:19:05,150 they begin their healing 441 00:19:08,770 --> 00:19:06,740 all of a sudden throughout the process 442 00:19:13,210 --> 00:19:08,780 will start seeing these spikes it'll 443 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:13,220 jump up 80 photons 80 photons is four 444 00:19:19,170 --> 00:19:16,730 times the baseline it's an extremely 445 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:19,180 significant change in light in that room 446 00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:21,530 we have people who goes up to two 447 00:19:28,180 --> 00:19:26,000 hundred two thousand four hundred 448 00:19:31,420 --> 00:19:28,190 thousand and we've even had two people 449 00:19:35,170 --> 00:19:31,430 go over a million photons a second from 450 00:19:37,170 --> 00:19:35,180 twenty at the baseline and what happens 451 00:19:40,030 --> 00:19:37,180 is when they start their healing process 452 00:19:42,610 --> 00:19:40,040 after a brief period of time we'll start 453 00:19:45,610 --> 00:19:42,620 seeing some jumps and start seeing these 454 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:45,620 levels going up high and then we'll say 455 00:19:49,930 --> 00:19:47,450 stop take a break and it goes right back 456 00:19:52,210 --> 00:19:49,940 down to the baseline we say start again 457 00:19:55,950 --> 00:19:52,220 it goes back up again and we start 458 00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:55,960 seeing this so it seems that there is 459 00:19:59,560 --> 00:19:57,440 something 460 00:20:01,990 --> 00:19:59,570 related to the processes going on for 461 00:20:04,779 --> 00:20:02,000 10% of the people we're bringing in that 462 00:20:07,330 --> 00:20:04,789 they are demonstrating or expressing 463 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:07,340 more biophotons or some people might say 464 00:20:13,330 --> 00:20:10,129 recruiting those biophotons 465 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:13,340 to them it's more light is occurring in 466 00:20:17,769 --> 00:20:16,129 the room we have some successful healers 467 00:20:19,450 --> 00:20:17,779 people who have been doing healing for a 468 00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:19,460 long time who have had a lot of success 469 00:20:24,669 --> 00:20:21,710 have a career doing healing they show no 470 00:20:26,259 --> 00:20:24,679 variation in fact bill I hope you don't 471 00:20:28,629 --> 00:20:26,269 mind if I'm saying when bill came down 472 00:20:30,220 --> 00:20:28,639 to the Rhine a couple years ago I asked 473 00:20:33,419 --> 00:20:30,230 him to sit in the bioenergy lab and he 474 00:20:36,220 --> 00:20:33,429 did his cycling and we got no variation 475 00:20:40,570 --> 00:20:36,230 so he was part of the 90% that we didn't 476 00:20:43,659 --> 00:20:40,580 see a variation related to this but we 477 00:20:45,549 --> 00:20:43,669 some of them 10% did show a variation 478 00:20:50,340 --> 00:20:45,559 and some of them very significant 479 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:50,350 variation well this is exciting 480 00:20:57,369 --> 00:20:55,490 part of biophotons healing energy are we 481 00:21:00,070 --> 00:20:57,379 have we finally found this and you know 482 00:21:03,789 --> 00:21:00,080 people talk about energetic healing you 483 00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:03,799 know light is energy light is 484 00:21:07,659 --> 00:21:05,840 electromagnetic energy you can take the 485 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:07,669 wavelength times Planck's constant and 486 00:21:13,180 --> 00:21:10,970 you get an energy reading so are we 487 00:21:14,860 --> 00:21:13,190 finding this energy Chi we have martial 488 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:14,870 artists come in they're finding we're 489 00:21:19,180 --> 00:21:16,370 finding the bio photons when they're 490 00:21:21,460 --> 00:21:19,190 doing manipulation are we finding this 491 00:21:23,619 --> 00:21:21,470 Chi are we finding this are we finally 492 00:21:26,049 --> 00:21:23,629 finding a reading we can take to find 493 00:21:30,399 --> 00:21:26,059 this energy seems like it really 494 00:21:32,169 --> 00:21:30,409 exciting but you know I got this little 495 00:21:35,850 --> 00:21:32,179 scientist he sits on my shoulder and he 496 00:21:43,509 --> 00:21:40,330 maybe it's something else maybe it's not 497 00:21:50,529 --> 00:21:43,519 this light could it be something 498 00:21:55,599 --> 00:21:52,659 we know from experiments that we're done 499 00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:55,609 in pair you see I think some of you guys 500 00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,159 have mine lamps here last night and a 501 00:22:02,619 --> 00:22:00,559 little Sylar on random number generator 502 00:22:05,169 --> 00:22:02,629 this is a machine that Helmut Schmidt 503 00:22:08,349 --> 00:22:05,179 put together and was working on it with 504 00:22:09,789 --> 00:22:08,359 the Rhine back in the 70s and that's the 505 00:22:12,219 --> 00:22:09,799 guy from the matrix been in the spoon 506 00:22:14,619 --> 00:22:12,229 but but these other ones are actually 507 00:22:19,269 --> 00:22:14,629 real life type of things and people have 508 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:19,279 an effect on machinery intentionally you 509 00:22:24,879 --> 00:22:22,369 can affect machines but not only 510 00:22:27,129 --> 00:22:24,889 intentionally can you cause random 511 00:22:30,629 --> 00:22:27,139 events to occur electronic systems of 512 00:22:33,189 --> 00:22:30,639 very quantum quantum processes to very 513 00:22:36,339 --> 00:22:33,199 last when I guess it's been about a year 514 00:22:39,129 --> 00:22:36,349 and a half no I went to do an 515 00:22:41,469 --> 00:22:39,139 investigation of a poltergeist where 516 00:22:44,859 --> 00:22:41,479 there was a little child who's 11 years 517 00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:44,869 old and he was having effects on 518 00:22:53,769 --> 00:22:49,609 electronics computer systems on printers 519 00:22:56,199 --> 00:22:53,779 remote controls TV sets telephone smoke 520 00:22:57,549 --> 00:22:56,209 alarms he was having effects on all of 521 00:23:00,399 --> 00:22:57,559 these things and it was disturbing to 522 00:23:04,029 --> 00:23:00,409 him he wasn't doing it on purpose it was 523 00:23:06,699 --> 00:23:04,039 unintentional so here I am and I'm 524 00:23:09,069 --> 00:23:06,709 thinking wow this stuff can happen 525 00:23:16,389 --> 00:23:09,079 unintentionally I have people going into 526 00:23:18,819 --> 00:23:16,399 this dark room and I got this really 527 00:23:21,099 --> 00:23:18,829 really sensitive pieces of electronic 528 00:23:22,659 --> 00:23:21,109 equipment in there and it's really 529 00:23:26,499 --> 00:23:22,669 sensitive piece of electronic equipment 530 00:23:29,019 --> 00:23:26,509 is showing me variations it's showing me 531 00:23:30,189 --> 00:23:29,029 that there's electronics that are or 532 00:23:31,509 --> 00:23:30,199 that showed me that there are photons 533 00:23:35,169 --> 00:23:31,519 being produced because that's what it's 534 00:23:38,859 --> 00:23:35,179 designed to do but maybe they're 535 00:23:42,279 --> 00:23:38,869 actually affecting the machine maybe 536 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:42,289 they're not producing light maybe 537 00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:44,809 they're actually expressing PK well how 538 00:23:49,479 --> 00:23:47,809 do I test this you know my machine is 539 00:23:51,219 --> 00:23:49,489 designed to test light and I'm putting 540 00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:51,229 them in a dark room with the machine 541 00:23:57,099 --> 00:23:53,569 that's designed to test light how do I 542 00:23:59,079 --> 00:23:57,109 test if it's PK or light this is a 543 00:24:02,850 --> 00:23:59,089 dilemma but it actually turned out to be 544 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:05,190 I put him in a dark room and I close the 545 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:08,890 shutter no light could get into the 546 00:24:15,060 --> 00:24:13,330 machine and so I took one of our one of 547 00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:15,070 our healers who have come died 548 00:24:21,289 --> 00:24:18,000 repeatedly and has shown consistent 549 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:21,299 consistent results with Pete with 550 00:24:25,950 --> 00:24:23,770 biophotons always getting high readings 551 00:24:29,130 --> 00:24:25,960 with biophoton turns it on and off like 552 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:29,140 this and I said go in the room and we 553 00:24:38,159 --> 00:24:30,010 close the shutter 554 00:24:40,860 --> 00:24:38,169 I still got photon readings he was doing 555 00:24:43,230 --> 00:24:40,870 PK I'm not saying there wasn't light 556 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:43,240 that was being produced because I still 557 00:24:47,970 --> 00:24:44,650 believe that there is light that's 558 00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:47,980 produced but he was at least 559 00:24:55,549 --> 00:24:50,559 supplementing his results with having PK 560 00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:55,559 effects on this machine so here now I 561 00:25:02,610 --> 00:24:59,919 want to know is this guy he's getting PK 562 00:25:04,350 --> 00:25:02,620 results can I make sure that it's not 563 00:25:06,060 --> 00:25:04,360 just something that's kind of a weird 564 00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,070 thing that's happened in a bioenergy lab 565 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:08,080 so I have PK test think I can do in a 566 00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:11,049 bioenergy lab but also I had to have the 567 00:25:16,409 --> 00:25:12,910 silo silo Ron random knocking random 568 00:25:19,049 --> 00:25:16,419 event generator so I had him do some 569 00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:19,059 testing with this and doing some testing 570 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:20,710 using their standard software which is 571 00:25:25,470 --> 00:25:22,210 really great software Roger I want to 572 00:25:27,539 --> 00:25:25,480 mention it really great software the we 573 00:25:28,980 --> 00:25:27,549 do some testing with it the see if he 574 00:25:31,409 --> 00:25:28,990 could go out of bounds 575 00:25:34,590 --> 00:25:31,419 knock it two standard deviations off 576 00:25:37,159 --> 00:25:34,600 there mean not only did he knock it off 577 00:25:40,110 --> 00:25:37,169 the mean he knocked it out of the park I 578 00:25:41,850 --> 00:25:40,120 ended up doing and at one point he not 579 00:25:43,890 --> 00:25:41,860 only worked on it directly within the 580 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:43,900 lab but at one point I had him go use 581 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:47,890 Skype from his home in Georgia to Durham 582 00:25:53,010 --> 00:25:51,250 and he's looking at the machine and we 583 00:25:55,169 --> 00:25:53,020 did 30 trials I was trying to get a 584 00:25:58,740 --> 00:25:55,179 sense of you know what he could do we 585 00:26:00,840 --> 00:25:58,750 did 30 trials 11 of them were very 586 00:26:03,150 --> 00:26:00,850 significant more than two standard 587 00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,160 deviations some of them were just way 588 00:26:09,270 --> 00:26:05,200 more than two standard deviations off 11 589 00:26:11,130 --> 00:26:09,280 out of 30 that's really unusual but he 590 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:11,140 was consistently doing this we're still 591 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:15,130 looking at his the extent of this we 592 00:26:19,180 --> 00:26:16,370 also used other electron 593 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:19,190 devices that were related to that were 594 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:21,650 designed to detect electronic 595 00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:25,250 interference and he also was able to 596 00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:28,880 affect these so it's clear that he's 597 00:26:37,290 --> 00:26:34,070 doing PK so we're healing and PK the 598 00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:37,300 same thing you know a lot of 599 00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,960 parapsychologists and a lot of lot of 600 00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:40,640 researchers that I've spoken to think 601 00:26:49,270 --> 00:26:45,200 that healing is by definition PK but 602 00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:49,280 before we can say that this seems to 603 00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:50,480 demonstrate that maybe they're right 604 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:53,840 because I have a healer here he has a 605 00:26:58,150 --> 00:26:55,370 career in here he's been doing it for a 606 00:27:01,900 --> 00:26:58,160 long time he's been doing a bio photon 607 00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,910 stuff and he's also doing PK but before 608 00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:03,440 we can say that we have to consider 609 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:04,880 remember going back at the beginning we 610 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:06,650 have to consider their approach to 611 00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:07,250 healing 612 00:27:13,299 --> 00:27:10,640 how are people approaching it not all 613 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:13,309 people approach it the same way this man 614 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:15,890 who demonstrated PK and it's this is 615 00:27:21,460 --> 00:27:19,130 still ongoing research but this single 616 00:27:25,660 --> 00:27:21,470 man who was demonstrated PK he's a very 617 00:27:28,660 --> 00:27:25,670 directed healer he targets very specific 618 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:28,670 things he's also extremely conscious of 619 00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:31,130 what he's trying to do so he's very 620 00:27:38,190 --> 00:27:33,710 focused and very directed and that's his 621 00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:38,200 approach to healing it's intentional 622 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:42,710 not all healers are demonstrating PK in 623 00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:44,330 our lab not all of them are shown 624 00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,200 biophotons 625 00:27:51,370 --> 00:27:47,360 but not all of them are able to do PK 626 00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,380 either so it seems that there may be 627 00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:53,360 something related to the approach that 628 00:27:58,510 --> 00:27:56,240 you take to your healing activity that 629 00:28:04,080 --> 00:27:58,520 may determine whether you're using PK or 630 00:28:09,270 --> 00:28:04,090 you might be using another method so 631 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:09,280 what have we seen we've seen that some 632 00:28:18,460 --> 00:28:13,570 but not all healers work directly and 633 00:28:20,919 --> 00:28:18,470 intentionally some healers use a more 634 00:28:23,020 --> 00:28:20,929 holistic approach and a lot of healers 635 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:23,030 are not conscious of the type of healing 636 00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:23,890 they're doing 637 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:26,320 they're not because they're not aware of 638 00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:28,690 what the mechanisms are what's going on 639 00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:31,420 and they're not creating dynamic images 640 00:28:37,380 --> 00:28:33,910 of what's happening they're more just 641 00:28:40,530 --> 00:28:37,390 allowing it to happen some healers who 642 00:28:43,220 --> 00:28:40,540 use this more holistic approach they 643 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:43,230 don't demonstrate biophotons in our lab 644 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:47,890 at least one healer who uses a very 645 00:28:56,820 --> 00:28:50,530 directional approach demonstrated PK 646 00:28:58,410 --> 00:28:56,830 effects in many cases the volunteers who 647 00:29:02,610 --> 00:28:58,420 are working with any of these healers 648 00:29:04,290 --> 00:29:02,620 are reporting benefits so it's not like 649 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:04,300 this type of healing work and that one 650 00:29:09,630 --> 00:29:07,330 doesn't know the approach still seems to 651 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:09,640 provide benefits to people or people 652 00:29:16,590 --> 00:29:13,050 seem to be reporting benefits from this 653 00:29:19,620 --> 00:29:16,600 so what do we want to do for further 654 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:19,630 study here's a couple hypotheses we want 655 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:24,130 to look at first of all can we detect 656 00:29:30,690 --> 00:29:26,530 these energy healing effects in living 657 00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:30,700 organisms bill did a really nice job 658 00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,000 working with the mice and showing that 659 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:36,000 there is an effect in a living organism 660 00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:39,250 can we replicate this you know one of 661 00:29:43,140 --> 00:29:40,720 the things I didn't mention early on is 662 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:43,150 when we started this whole this whole 663 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:46,330 research related to healing we wanted to 664 00:29:49,950 --> 00:29:48,010 do it without really talking too much 665 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:49,960 the bill even well we're using a system 666 00:29:54,060 --> 00:29:51,490 even though we're all training we one of 667 00:29:57,390 --> 00:29:54,070 those it without him none because Bill's 668 00:29:59,640 --> 00:29:57,400 research when Bill knows about it people 669 00:30:01,920 --> 00:29:59,650 get healed my torrent shouldn't MIT mice 670 00:30:03,180 --> 00:30:01,930 get healed well anytime bill knows about 671 00:30:05,220 --> 00:30:03,190 the mites so we want to make sure that 672 00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:05,230 he didn't wasn't really aware of the 673 00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:06,640 details of what was going on or what 674 00:30:10,170 --> 00:30:08,230 we're doing this is the first time I'm 675 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:10,180 really talking about it and so he's 676 00:30:15,810 --> 00:30:13,570 understanding it in this case we're 677 00:30:18,030 --> 00:30:15,820 trying we want to try to replicate some 678 00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:18,040 of his results just working from the 679 00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:20,140 training method that he presented and 680 00:30:25,140 --> 00:30:21,910 from the from the training that we've 681 00:30:26,670 --> 00:30:25,150 done the practice we've done so that's 682 00:30:29,010 --> 00:30:26,680 the first thing we want to do one of the 683 00:30:31,670 --> 00:30:29,020 other things hypotheses we want to look 684 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:31,680 at is some healers who use this 685 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:34,450 intentional directional approach 686 00:30:41,230 --> 00:30:38,090 do they produce more biophotons and do 687 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:41,240 they demonstrate PK is this type of 688 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:43,730 healing approach related to a PK 689 00:30:49,330 --> 00:30:47,510 expression and a corollary to this is 690 00:30:52,650 --> 00:30:49,340 people who use other approaches a more 691 00:30:55,630 --> 00:30:52,660 holistic or unconscious approach do they 692 00:30:59,260 --> 00:30:55,640 not produce so much biophotons 693 00:31:00,700 --> 00:30:59,270 are they not so PK oriented that's a 694 00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:00,710 corollary that we would want to look at 695 00:31:08,850 --> 00:31:04,310 and finally this last one here I would 696 00:31:13,060 --> 00:31:08,860 like to ensure that volunteers report 697 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:13,070 beneficial results regardless of which 698 00:31:18,220 --> 00:31:15,410 approach is used it seems that way 699 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:18,230 I want to formalize this so these are 700 00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:20,090 some of the hypotheses that we want to 701 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:24,710 follow up on well yeah I don't know how 702 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:29,450 much time I've used up but perfect there 703 00:31:40,770 --> 00:31:31,330 we are 704 00:31:43,510 --> 00:31:40,780 [Applause] 705 00:31:47,260 --> 00:31:43,520 yeah I want to follow up on your 706 00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:47,270 biophoton angle um earlier early in the 707 00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:49,750 biophoton one of the earliest 708 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:51,710 researchers biker which had to do with 709 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:55,850 bio photons from cell division yes so 710 00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:57,530 I'm wondering it seems to me the real 711 00:32:02,560 --> 00:31:59,360 the important question is have you 712 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:02,570 thought or have you already done bio 713 00:32:07,570 --> 00:32:05,330 photons emissions of the person or 714 00:32:11,470 --> 00:32:07,580 organism being treated because it seems 715 00:32:13,630 --> 00:32:11,480 like to me if you change the rate of by 716 00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:13,640 all photon emissions from the target 717 00:32:17,410 --> 00:32:15,310 object that would be the more 718 00:32:20,740 --> 00:32:17,420 interesting question or the correct 719 00:32:23,890 --> 00:32:20,750 question with regard to the whatever 720 00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:23,900 healing is taking place yes we we've 721 00:32:26,350 --> 00:32:25,310 done different things with the bioenergy 722 00:32:28,090 --> 00:32:26,360 lab it's been running for thirty years 723 00:32:30,430 --> 00:32:28,100 they've been doing a lot of different 724 00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:30,440 work in there but what we've we have had 725 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:31,910 healers in there alone when they're 726 00:32:36,340 --> 00:32:34,010 doing their healing work we've had 727 00:32:38,980 --> 00:32:36,350 healers in there with someone that they 728 00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:38,990 were treating and we found that there's 729 00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:40,640 a missions during that time as well 730 00:32:45,610 --> 00:32:42,470 we've have done studies where we've had 731 00:32:47,940 --> 00:32:45,620 healers outside the room and had someone 732 00:32:50,050 --> 00:32:47,950 inside the room who was being treated 733 00:32:51,370 --> 00:32:50,060 unfortunately we didn't see any results 734 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:51,380 when we did that we didn't see 735 00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:53,050 variations and biophotons 736 00:32:56,860 --> 00:32:54,950 one of the things that I'm really 737 00:32:58,750 --> 00:32:56,870 interested in is to get another 738 00:32:59,140 --> 00:32:58,760 photomultiplier and set up another dark 739 00:33:03,190 --> 00:32:59,150 room 740 00:33:05,470 --> 00:33:03,200 have someone being treated in another 741 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:05,480 room and see if I have consistent 742 00:33:09,490 --> 00:33:07,730 correlations between the variations and 743 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:09,500 foe times this would give me a better 744 00:33:13,420 --> 00:33:11,330 sense of whether there is a signaling 745 00:33:17,020 --> 00:33:13,430 mechanism and this is a mechanism might 746 00:33:18,790 --> 00:33:17,030 be used to make healing occur so we've 747 00:33:21,970 --> 00:33:18,800 thought about this we haven't seen 748 00:33:23,370 --> 00:33:21,980 results one more short suggestion you 749 00:33:27,550 --> 00:33:23,380 might want to think about can you 750 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:27,560 increase growth rates and that might be 751 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:29,450 a really I mean that might help you 752 00:33:33,010 --> 00:33:31,490 narrow down what you're doing - yeah I 753 00:33:35,230 --> 00:33:33,020 have a phoenician have a young 754 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:35,240 researcher who's just joined us who's 755 00:33:39,940 --> 00:33:37,450 very interested in that topic 756 00:33:42,010 --> 00:33:39,950 Hidell okay you just answered the 757 00:33:46,570 --> 00:33:42,020 question I'm here to ask so then I'll 758 00:33:49,460 --> 00:33:46,580 just make our comment back in 1976 in 759 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:49,470 the Soviet Union a researcher 760 00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:53,250 Norma was publicizing and Michael genic 761 00:33:58,490 --> 00:33:55,080 radiation this is basically a UV 762 00:34:00,740 --> 00:33:58,500 radiation hypothesizing that this was to 763 00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:00,750 waste me SP work through this kind of 764 00:34:06,350 --> 00:34:04,260 cellular communication unfortunately the 765 00:34:07,940 --> 00:34:06,360 Silvius took a dim view of that locked 766 00:34:09,859 --> 00:34:07,950 him up in prison for a couple of years 767 00:34:12,379 --> 00:34:09,869 because they thought he was giving away 768 00:34:14,540 --> 00:34:12,389 important secrets to the US government 769 00:34:16,849 --> 00:34:14,550 so for those of you that think of being 770 00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:16,859 persecuted by the vor for seeing this 771 00:34:24,379 --> 00:34:20,280 country think back then 772 00:34:25,879 --> 00:34:24,389 and related to this Dale I've talked 773 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:25,889 about healers today we've had other 774 00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,050 people doing different sized phenomena 775 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:30,240 in the room and demonstrating biophotons 776 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:33,210 as well so it's not just isolated to 777 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:37,770 healers well you mentioned also in 778 00:34:45,260 --> 00:34:42,810 passing that you used detectors to to 779 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:45,270 detect electromagnetic interference I 780 00:34:49,609 --> 00:34:47,129 believe is the words you use could you 781 00:34:53,260 --> 00:34:49,619 describe what what those instruments are 782 00:34:56,180 --> 00:34:53,270 and and also with regard to the PMT room 783 00:35:00,740 --> 00:34:56,190 can people visit the lab and be tested 784 00:35:02,329 --> 00:35:00,750 do you take appointments well first 785 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:02,339 related to the electronics that are 786 00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:04,650 designed specifically to detect 787 00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,920 electronic interference I'm sorry Ross 788 00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:09,599 left because he's electrical in an error 789 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:12,180 I'm not so I can't tell you the details 790 00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:14,130 of the systems but essentially their 791 00:35:16,970 --> 00:35:15,599 systems that were designed so that if 792 00:35:21,170 --> 00:35:16,980 there is electrical interference the 793 00:35:22,820 --> 00:35:21,180 register of motion so it'll register by 794 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:22,830 showing some motion in the system I 795 00:35:25,849 --> 00:35:24,450 don't know the details of the 796 00:35:27,980 --> 00:35:25,859 electronics I can't tell you about that 797 00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:27,990 in terms of coming to visit the lab I'd 798 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:30,000 be happy to give you a tour I always 799 00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:34,410 give tours it a lab but told you there's 800 00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:37,520 healers coming out my ears enduro my 801 00:35:43,339 --> 00:35:40,500 people oftentimes want to be tested in a 802 00:35:46,099 --> 00:35:43,349 lab I have to prioritize my time a bit 803 00:35:48,530 --> 00:35:46,109 so it's not always easy to fit people in 804 00:35:51,130 --> 00:35:48,540 but if you're interested you can talk 805 00:35:53,450 --> 00:35:51,140 with me yes my question is about 806 00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,460 creating an intentional intentional 807 00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:55,680 space that promotes whatever you're 808 00:35:59,720 --> 00:35:58,200 doing this your case healing theirs I've 809 00:36:01,819 --> 00:35:59,730 had experiences with that another 810 00:36:04,249 --> 00:36:01,829 phenomenon you find in the literature 811 00:36:06,829 --> 00:36:04,259 how creating an intentional space where 812 00:36:09,289 --> 00:36:06,839 things happen hey I don't know how you 813 00:36:12,229 --> 00:36:09,299 would do a research you know comparison 814 00:36:13,699 --> 00:36:12,239 this is your space with going off where 815 00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:13,709 you don't have a space individual 816 00:36:16,729 --> 00:36:15,390 healers and see what the results would 817 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:16,739 be but I think it'd be an interesting 818 00:36:22,219 --> 00:36:19,650 thing to look into that sounds very 819 00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:22,229 interesting and in fact Jeannette 820 00:36:25,009 --> 00:36:23,940 weren't you mentioning this to me what 821 00:36:26,509 --> 00:36:25,019 are we talking about this at one point 822 00:36:28,339 --> 00:36:26,519 you might want to you might want to talk 823 00:36:29,959 --> 00:36:28,349 to Jeannette Nachman - she and I were 824 00:36:32,209 --> 00:36:29,969 talking about this because we do have a 825 00:36:36,499 --> 00:36:32,219 single space that we work in on a 826 00:36:40,339 --> 00:36:36,509 regular basis I was intrigued by your 827 00:36:43,459 --> 00:36:40,349 description that the it was a very 828 00:36:46,489 --> 00:36:43,469 directed focused intentional healer who 829 00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:46,499 was producing piqué effects during his 830 00:36:52,549 --> 00:36:50,579 healing sessions because an important 831 00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:52,559 feature that he has in common with your 832 00:36:58,219 --> 00:36:54,900 poltergeist which you did not mention 833 00:37:00,199 --> 00:36:58,229 explicitly is that the PK was 834 00:37:03,650 --> 00:37:00,209 unintentional he was doing a healing 835 00:37:05,779 --> 00:37:03,660 session and this this PK was showing up 836 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:05,789 as a side-effect I had hoped that you 837 00:37:10,219 --> 00:37:08,249 would develop that concept in somewhat 838 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:10,229 more detail but you never got back to it 839 00:37:16,759 --> 00:37:14,249 well this this person in particular he 840 00:37:19,459 --> 00:37:16,769 talks about his healing as if it's all 841 00:37:22,279 --> 00:37:19,469 electrical everything is electrical and 842 00:37:25,930 --> 00:37:22,289 he considers that he has the ability to 843 00:37:30,140 --> 00:37:25,940 manipulate electricity and so he sends 844 00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:30,150 positive or negative ions and sends 845 00:37:37,249 --> 00:37:34,140 electricity through the body and so this 846 00:37:40,249 --> 00:37:37,259 is how he intentionally does his healing 847 00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:40,259 work utilizing affecting the this is his 848 00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,569 words affecting the electrical system of 849 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:45,119 the body I don't see that because I 850 00:37:50,299 --> 00:37:47,729 don't I can't directly measure that but 851 00:37:52,279 --> 00:37:50,309 these are his and so as I was saying we 852 00:37:54,469 --> 00:37:52,289 have to take our data in the context of 853 00:37:55,789 --> 00:37:54,479 the people who are experiencing it so 854 00:37:57,439 --> 00:37:55,799 that's why I mentioned that he's very 855 00:38:00,679 --> 00:37:57,449 intentional and directed because that's 856 00:38:07,799 --> 00:38:04,140 hey Jenna hi this this is great this is 857 00:38:11,339 --> 00:38:07,809 great by Tricon as you know I've worked 858 00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:11,349 with and studied with dr. Welsh an Wang 859 00:38:19,019 --> 00:38:15,609 Chan and and he's always telling us that 860 00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:19,029 when he would talk to healers and or to 861 00:38:24,029 --> 00:38:21,910 mediums which anyone doing side say how 862 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:24,039 did you do it each one had a different 863 00:38:29,459 --> 00:38:27,130 recipe on how they did it so then he 864 00:38:32,729 --> 00:38:29,469 changed good and his goal was to 865 00:38:35,609 --> 00:38:32,739 understand to work on a theory of how 866 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:35,619 this all works so then instead he asked 867 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:38,650 how do you experience reality how do you 868 00:38:47,130 --> 00:38:44,170 experience the world when this saw event 869 00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,140 is taking place and that helped and so 870 00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:49,599 then everyone out of like 50 did 871 00:38:55,049 --> 00:38:52,900 different recipes of I go to dine face 872 00:38:58,229 --> 00:38:55,059 the east I do energy I do 873 00:39:02,880 --> 00:38:58,239 electricity he found it boiled down to 874 00:39:05,819 --> 00:39:02,890 fewer more couple of common method you 875 00:39:08,489 --> 00:39:05,829 know experiences I'm in one with the 876 00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:08,499 person and I think this usually it's the 877 00:39:12,809 --> 00:39:10,569 oneness in their love now I guess it's 878 00:39:14,969 --> 00:39:12,819 not always especially if someone who's 879 00:39:16,949 --> 00:39:14,979 just sitting you say okay do a healing 880 00:39:20,759 --> 00:39:16,959 this catch the head and they can do a 881 00:39:23,370 --> 00:39:20,769 healing but I'm this father like quick 882 00:39:26,789 --> 00:39:23,380 boy and he also said that in terms of 883 00:39:29,759 --> 00:39:26,799 energy the concept like obviously there 884 00:39:33,029 --> 00:39:29,769 are energetic things are going on and 885 00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:33,039 maybe the photons are a byproduct of the 886 00:39:39,809 --> 00:39:36,609 healing as opposed to the doing the 887 00:39:43,919 --> 00:39:39,819 healing and so he says but he always 888 00:39:46,349 --> 00:39:43,929 cautions us about to not work within 889 00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:46,359 that as a concept in doing the healing 890 00:39:52,229 --> 00:39:50,049 training or doing that because course 891 00:39:55,650 --> 00:39:52,239 the doctor talked about energy because 892 00:39:58,279 --> 00:39:55,660 that freezes one's mind to think of 893 00:40:03,709 --> 00:39:58,289 energy as we usually know it electricity 894 00:40:06,929 --> 00:40:03,719 from here to there and time and space 895 00:40:10,349 --> 00:40:06,939 usually what's going on I mean is for 896 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:10,359 many people's experience is outside of 897 00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:11,930 times 898 00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:16,910 but these but this is incredibly this is 899 00:40:23,450 --> 00:40:21,510 it shows like two worlds well very good 900 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:23,460 suggestions about you know taking world 901 00:40:26,359 --> 00:40:24,810 view into account when we're talking 902 00:40:28,819 --> 00:40:26,369 about healing because I think that has a 903 00:40:30,589 --> 00:40:28,829 lot to do more than just the experience 904 00:40:32,510 --> 00:40:30,599 but how they put it in context within 905 00:40:36,170 --> 00:40:32,520 their own life and within their view of 906 00:40:40,579 --> 00:40:36,180 the world you know if biophotons really 907 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:40,589 are this healing energy if it is then it 908 00:40:44,420 --> 00:40:42,690 is within timing space and it is 909 00:40:46,430 --> 00:40:44,430 measurable because we can find it 910 00:40:48,109 --> 00:40:46,440 exact so there's different perspectives 911 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:48,119 and I think the different approaches 912 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:49,530 might have a lot to do with this yeah 913 00:41:05,270 --> 00:40:51,450 well we'll find out more than anymore 914 00:41:08,410 --> 00:41:05,280 Thank You Jones great conference and 915 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:08,420 everyone going forward in time could 916 00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,450 think about this well yeah it's not just 917 00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:15,119 a personal thing that I've spent my 918 00:41:21,260 --> 00:41:17,579 entire career in physics and I think of 919 00:41:23,020 --> 00:41:21,270 energy as something well it's something 920 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:23,030 that can be measured in joules or 921 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:26,010 foot-pounds whatever right what many 922 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:31,530 people in this field in this are 923 00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:33,810 referring to is something vastly more 924 00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:38,280 complicated and in simplest terms I wish 925 00:41:46,579 --> 00:41:40,200 people would use a different word than 926 00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,589 the words energy you know and well I 927 00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:48,720 think everyone knows knows what I'm 928 00:41:52,579 --> 00:41:51,180 talking about here and would like to see 929 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:52,589 what you would have to say yeah you've 930 00:41:58,099 --> 00:41:54,450 used the word in your talk you use the 931 00:42:01,220 --> 00:41:58,109 word energy purposely both meanings I 932 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:01,230 use it purposely though and and you know 933 00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:05,490 part that I left out was that pissis say 934 00:42:09,020 --> 00:42:06,480 there's potential energy and kinetic 935 00:42:13,099 --> 00:42:09,030 energy your guys are talking about 936 00:42:16,609 --> 00:42:13,109 something completely different but light 937 00:42:18,980 --> 00:42:16,619 is electromagnetic energy sure if that 938 00:42:20,990 --> 00:42:18,990 is what people are talking about if 939 00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:21,000 that's what they're feeling if that was 940 00:42:25,150 --> 00:42:22,400 that's what they're sensitive to 941 00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:25,160 it is energy in terms that you cannot 942 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:26,569 that you would be but there is an 943 00:42:33,099 --> 00:42:30,170 information content which you don't 944 00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:33,109 measure in joules you're right maybe the 945 00:42:38,049 --> 00:42:36,529 entropy somehow comes into it but I just 946 00:42:40,420 --> 00:42:38,059 wish people would be more cognizant 947 00:42:43,329 --> 00:42:40,430 cognizant of this distinction between 948 00:42:44,799 --> 00:42:43,339 the two meanings of the word and I wish 949 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:44,809 there were some other word that people 950 00:42:55,230 --> 00:42:52,850 could use I don't not a measure mode job 951 00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:55,240 [Laughter] 952 00:43:01,769 --> 00:42:57,920 yes I absolutely agree with the last 953 00:43:06,460 --> 00:43:01,779 speaker and I think the best word was 954 00:43:10,049 --> 00:43:06,470 invented by Italian mathematician back 955 00:43:14,109 --> 00:43:10,059 in the fifties he called it's entropy 956 00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:14,119 it's the compliment of entropy and it's 957 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:16,880 what I will be talking about life energy 958 00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:21,410 I will call it anyway what I really 959 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:27,440 wanted to say was about the computerized 960 00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:31,130 Killian system developed by constituting 961 00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:36,319 korotkov which I have at home do you 962 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:38,329 know about that on this this is 963 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:41,770 quantitative and it could be a very good 964 00:43:50,740 --> 00:43:45,770 adjunct to your work too especially for 965 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:50,750 the effects on the Healy's I'm not I'm 966 00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,010 not familiar with what you're talking 967 00:43:59,819 --> 00:43:54,319 about so we can catch up afterwards if 968 00:44:05,470 --> 00:44:03,160 this is an easy one slightly off topic 969 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:05,480 though one of your slides you had a 970 00:44:11,950 --> 00:44:09,170 picture of Nina Kellogg Nia yes I wanted 971 00:44:14,819 --> 00:44:11,960 to get your view and you believe it was 972 00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:14,829 a slam dunk that she legitimately had 973 00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:18,319 pique abilities or do you think as some 974 00:44:23,410 --> 00:44:21,710 do that she was fraudulently don't know 975 00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,420 I had her on the slide because I was 976 00:44:28,779 --> 00:44:25,520 talking about PK testing and there was a 977 00:44:31,450 --> 00:44:28,789 lot of PK testing around her besides I 978 00:44:33,499 --> 00:44:31,460 wanted to make it an interesting slide I 979 00:44:34,909 --> 00:44:33,509 I don't have I you know 980 00:44:36,829 --> 00:44:34,919 I haven't really looked into it enough 981 00:44:39,859 --> 00:44:36,839 to know if there was fraud or not I 982 00:44:43,069 --> 00:44:39,869 think you know many people who are 983 00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:43,079 involved who do pique I think a lot of 984 00:44:46,939 --> 00:44:44,819 them have abilities and express 985 00:44:48,169 --> 00:44:46,949 abilities and oftentimes they get into 986 00:44:50,749 --> 00:44:48,179 the put into a position where they have 987 00:44:52,249 --> 00:44:50,759 to demonstrate it on demand and often 988 00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:52,259 times in entertainment type of 989 00:44:56,059 --> 00:44:54,689 situations and they're not always so 990 00:44:58,669 --> 00:44:56,069 good at it so sometimes they might 991 00:45:00,499 --> 00:44:58,679 resort to other things that doesn't mean 992 00:45:02,809 --> 00:45:00,509 that they didn't actually have some 993 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:02,819 ability that they can do sometimes it 994 00:45:07,669 --> 00:45:05,130 means it's sometimes they might also do 995 00:45:10,219 --> 00:45:07,679 fraud so I think you think that might 996 00:45:14,659 --> 00:45:10,229 have to be questioned I brand the how 997 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:14,669 are ya I'm delighted that you're 998 00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:17,249 continuing or looking into this area of 999 00:45:24,589 --> 00:45:21,839 research I might point out however we've 1000 00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,599 known for its pop since the early days 1001 00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:26,880 of his work in fact he was one of the 1002 00:45:32,569 --> 00:45:29,569 founding members of our IC RL 1003 00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:32,579 organization so we've talked about this 1004 00:45:42,229 --> 00:45:36,569 phenomenon many times and I believe that 1005 00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:42,239 for him the magnitude of the bio photon 1006 00:45:48,379 --> 00:45:45,209 emission was less important than the 1007 00:45:51,739 --> 00:45:48,389 coherence that he was observing within 1008 00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:51,749 that emission and I might suggest that 1009 00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:54,569 you look into that he felt that healthy 1010 00:46:04,209 --> 00:45:57,599 organisms projected a more coherent 1011 00:46:09,469 --> 00:46:04,219 pattern of bio photons and unhealthy or 1012 00:46:11,929 --> 00:46:09,479 less vital organisms produce more random 1013 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:11,939 patterns so I just put that out as a 1014 00:46:16,909 --> 00:46:14,249 suggestion for you to consider in the 1015 00:46:20,779 --> 00:46:16,919 future thank you very much you know one 1016 00:46:22,789 --> 00:46:20,789 of the things that I one of our best 1017 00:46:26,049 --> 00:46:22,799 performers in the bioenergy lab who 1018 00:46:28,249 --> 00:46:26,059 consistently gets really high numbers I 1019 00:46:30,439 --> 00:46:28,259 after working with for a while I 1020 00:46:32,929 --> 00:46:30,449 realized he was just trying to get 1021 00:46:34,579 --> 00:46:32,939 really big numbers and so he'd go in and 1022 00:46:36,109 --> 00:46:34,589 try to get really big numbers and we got 1023 00:46:38,029 --> 00:46:36,119 them consistently but then I talked to 1024 00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:38,039 him and I said when you do your healing 1025 00:46:41,449 --> 00:46:39,689 work is that what you do you just kind 1026 00:46:43,489 --> 00:46:41,459 of like try to get these really really 1027 00:46:46,140 --> 00:46:43,499 big surges no no no I don't do that at 1028 00:46:48,450 --> 00:46:46,150 all and I said well 1029 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:48,460 what you do when you heal because I want 1030 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:51,010 to see what healing is about I don't 1031 00:46:55,529 --> 00:46:53,770 want to get big numbers so it's related 1032 00:46:57,839 --> 00:46:55,539 to what your what you're saying Brenda 1033 00:47:01,140 --> 00:46:57,849 and then I'm trying I would like to see 1034 00:47:03,569 --> 00:47:01,150 the natural type of order of things and 1035 00:47:05,099 --> 00:47:03,579 see how biophotons are within that area 1036 00:47:06,779 --> 00:47:05,109 rather than looking for the biggest 1037 00:47:08,370 --> 00:47:06,789 numbers we can possibly get 1038 00:47:11,740 --> 00:47:08,380 although the big numbers are pretty cool 1039 00:47:12,140 --> 00:47:11,750 - thank you very much 1040 00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:12,150 [Applause]